Tulpa.info - metaphysics

I guess these two can do for now https://darksideofchaos.wordpress.com/2012/03/01/a-lot-more-about-servitors/ http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php?topic=10859.0

5:14 PM

mainly discussing servitor and egregore (edited)

5:15 PM

but I can summarize it as, servitor is basically the tulpa servitor, only seen in the meta lens, so it's sustained w/energy and does meta things

Thank you.

and egregore is the thoughtform that operates on a independent level, so is not strictly bound to some host or object etc.

5:16 PM

which can happen deliberately or through a servitor evolving (like servitors into tulpas), and can be sustained by more people giving it energy (eg. worship)

Alright. If I have more questions, I will be back to ask.

but yeah the way it basically works with meta is, people want results out of it so it's something more focused on the practice than the theory. And the theory hasn't coaleseced into a single doctrine yet because well, it works in quite a fundamentally different way from what physical science observes. There's a fundamental component of subjective creation that permeates everything in the occult, so that's extremely difficult to distill into a single Objective Map of Everything

5:28 PM

like, consider tulpamancy, and how the guides have often shaped the beliefs, and thus the possibilities, of what the mancers could do (remember FAQman's guide that recommended that you had to visualize your tulpa undressed initially or they wouldn't be able to take their clothes off?)

5:29 PM

It's a lot like that in meta, only people don't care v much for creating shared consensus of belief because, well because different strokes for different folks, and I guess people get attached to some belief systems or other anyways.

5:30 PM

and besides different belief systems are better for some tasks than others, and such

I see. I do understand.

5:32 PM

I would imagine that their are core beliefs, at the very least.

5:32 PM

Perhaps a few people do not believe that, but everyone seems to believe in energy manipulation from the meta community.

hah, I'd wish honestly, but in general I'd say the most common ones are the basis of the universe being 1)energy and 2) some other thing (mostly consciousness)

5:33 PM

and I guess the power of intent and belief in shaping the self, the actions, and the results

5:34 PM

and the existence of spirits in some form or another? I'm not completely sure honestly

I see.

yeah it's, a whole lot of doctrines

How do you discuss it among yourselves if you cannot even determine what a word means.

yeah what happens is, it goes either on a 1:1 basis, or people cluster around certain doctrines so that there's coherency

5:35 PM

other than that it's kinda, well people just take the time to explain to one another I guess

That sounds inconvenient.

eh once you've got a semi-estabilished community it ain't so bad

5:37 PM

there's usually no need to go larger than say, ~100 people? so it works out (edited)

I see. I do suppose I am saying that in this group, a word would be assigned a certain meaning, yes?

well yea certainly, either people support one doctrine mainly, or they come to consensus anyway eventually

There is a meta tulpa community, yes?

5:40 PM

That is the only one I am interested in, for now.

uuuuuh that's a very good question. I think the closest thing rn is the russian telegram group, and/or some part of tumblr if you'd want that to count (edited)

5:42 PM

I mean, there's the servitor people and such but I haven't sought those out outside of more generic occult communities

5:42 PM

and besides people tend not to specialize that much from what I've observed

Isn't the server, Gearheart, about tulpas?

yeah but v little with meta, esp as of late

I see. I heard of it being the main tulpa place for meta.

I'll brb a bit

I must have heard wrong.

5:43 PM

Alright.

lol CelestialBoon hit the nail on the head

yeah no, there's been, very small meta initiatives in GH that died out

5:51 PM

by now Tulpa Chat is far more meta than GH and that's saying something

Unfortunately, I am banned from Tulpa Chat, or I would check it out.

Im really not sure if there are any meta communities that discuss tulpas. The general theme is to use thought forms as tools and certainly not let them gain sentience. If your interested in a meta perspective then perhaps buddhist communities or researching how the creation of entities ,foreign and otherwise, was treated in the past. (edited)

Yes.

5:55 PM

Thank you for the advice.

If your interested in more disussion on metaphysics I know of a few systems that can be discussed and the principles that connect them. But thats a big convo and im unsure how far your interest in these things reach

I am very interested.

5:58 PM

I would like you to remember that we have very different starting views, so I will likely disagree on most things.

As you said above this is about having a discussion, however where you and I differ is that I do not think that my beliefs align with reality. Someone can only be correct to a degree. Give me some time to gather some thoughts and info.

also like, keep in mind that meta people are mostly in for the experience. Most of us get enough disbelief thrown at them without seeking it out. (edited)

I do understand that, CelestialBoon. I am not demanding anyone discuss with me, and I am giving a warning that I do not believe this, and that I will like express that often during any discussion, as I will try and find where it does match my views of reality, attempting to explain it in the most logical way, expecting the same in return on my views. I am very interested in conversation with people who are so wildly different from myself. I do think both parties, if going in with the right mindset, can gain something.

alright, well, hope it works out

Uli, I would like to correct myself. I do not think I am correct all of the time, or that my belief system is always correct. I am very sure I am completely wrong on things. That is why discussing things with other's is important, so I can always be working to adjust my beliefs to be the truth.

6:22 PM

Thats legit Angel, I really dont care if im right lol I just want to have a conversation withsome thats based in a mutual respect and an awareness that we dont know everything. As much as we would sometimes like to (edited)

6:22 PM

I mean Harleen lol

I find value in learning the truth, and gaining knowledge. That is why I would like an open discussion on things, supported by evidence. I would like my beliefs to also be under scrutiny. I do think that many people seeing someone attack a belief that is unjust as a personal attack, when they should try to see it more as an attack on a lie, trying to reveal the truth of reality. What I mean when I say I think my beliefs are true, is that I would not hold them otherwise, so while I do think that they are all true, I want to be working diligently to uncover which ones are unjustified and should be discarded. (edited)

https://montalk.net/files/fringeknowledgeWEB.pdf

The evidence is going to be hard to supply. As meta is so subjective the only evidence I can give is to point to the experience of something and connect dots that have varying degrees of stability.

6:41 PM

Thats an interesting little pdf, has a little bit of everything

This is what someone else recommended to me as a sort of guide into meta things. I do think that you can at least try to explain a logical train of thought, and I can provide evidence and my train of thought to the contrary.

As the forward of the book says

You will not find proof between the covers of this book, rather ideas and principles that give you understanding and perspective on proof existing all around and within you. The more you investigate these ideas for yourself, the more intelligently you can judge the accuracy of my map.

(edited)

I understand that.

@Beckett I dont understand what you are refering to when you use the word metaphysics... Does that mean anything immaterial or that deviates from mainstream science?

8:44 PM

Im writing something up that will be an outline of sorts on the beliefs and history of occult practices and im trying to figure out where exactly you are standing in this.

I am not speaking for Harley in particular, but I do believe I have similar feelings to things that she does at least when it comes to establishing an understanding of physical reality. I regard claims of any sort of phenomenon as true or well-supported if there is a great wealth of evidence in support of it and virtually no tests which seem to conflict with the claim. Sometimes if the supporting evidence is a very numerous thing and done broadly, then possibly by luck there might be one or two tests flawed or unlucky enough not to show support by pure circumstance. In that case we can ignore those negative results only when it demonstrates flaws in the method of finding evidence instead of flaws in the claim itself. If we cannot determine where the flaw lies, it needs more scrutiny.

Yes, I do mean "occult". Metaphysics is used strangely in the tulpa community.

So, TGIF. I'm Viktor and A buuddy of mine has ran into an issue with his tulpa.

11:50 PM

And Once I've learned this I began sending my energy to create traps for the tulpae

11:50 PM

@SkyeNet How would the Airbitration be done?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration

Arbitration

Arbitration, a form of alternative dispute resolution (ADR), is a way to resolve disputes outside the courts. The dispute will be decided by one or more persons (the "arbitrators", "arbiters" or "arbitral tribunal"), which renders the "arbitration award". An arbitration award...

Well. Thanks for the link.

You are welcome.

Thanks. Any opinion on me trapping the tulpae?

12:03 AM

With your help I've realized I've been the mediator for years And that's not been working.

My server is starting a program to mentoring beginners in energy work and a projects channel for various projects.

12:42 PM

DM me and I can send you the invite

It's strange that the wiki image is a revolving door.

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Perhaps it is to represent the state of the editors

11:20 PM

>.>

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Understanding Charles Bonnet syndrome

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12:32 PM

I experience this fairly often and always thought I was schizo. >.> Turns out it's just bc I can't see worth a fuck.

Does anyone here use religion as a way to bond with their tulpa?

i disagree with religion as a rule personally

2:57 PM

it makes monsters out of men and always ends in blood

Yes, my host prays to me everyday (edited)

Not all religions are bad. It's typically just organized religions.

[We aren't much fans of religion.]

10:17 PM

[Though the occult is rather interesting in an anthropological sense]

I have to agree with that.

Worship and religion are different imo and I have no religion I claim but I have been known to worship when the reciprocants are deserving >.>

12:16 AM

Unlike most people apparently I've never felt like I should bow to some greater power or entity

12:16 AM

Left hand path...

Left hand path is fun Right hand path is cool BUT CHAOS MAGIC IS WHERE ITS AT

[It seems interesting]

Chaos magic is the closest there is to a Unified Theory of Magic we have

Chaos magic is like the opposite of a theory of magic. It takes what is known to work, simplifies it and uses that to create simple practices which can get results without understanding almost any theory. Advanced chaos magic techniques actually use the subconscious to get the desired result because understanding how to get the result consciously would take a lot more effort in total.

12:06 PM

The main theories of magic which exist are the traditional ritualistic theory which doesn't explain things in a concrete way, energy work, and psionics. Both energy work and psionics are basically the same theory, just with some differences at various parts. (edited)

[Shadow has long been critical of belief in that kind of thing. I can't help but be intrigued by it.]

@Albino Elephant I started with Chaos bc I thought ritualism was all a bit silly and superficial. Chaos magic always worked for me, which always surprised me. My ritualist friends would always scoff at me.